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China is NOT Communist by DragonQuestWes China is NOT Communist by DragonQuestWes
Seriously, China is NOT Communist (Nor are they Socialist). At least not anymore after Mao Zedong's death.

They are Capitalist nowadays. Yes, China IS Capitalist nowadays. Even the Capitalists know this.

It doesn't matter what your opinion on China (or their government) is.

Also, China is NOT a single party state. It's officially a multi-party state, which is worse. I'm not advocating a single party state because political parties tend to be shit. So again, it is NOT A SINGLE PARTY STATE. Let that sink into your head.

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DAisrunbybigots Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014
Denier!!!
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014
Oh it's you. c:
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ninjawerr Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Professional Writer
Tell that to the red books they carry, or to the people in poverty who haft to work ungodly hours, or the houses of worship who are still stuck by the communist party and the police turn bind eye, tell that to the children who are aborted due to there one child law. 

I'm sorry but as a postmaster I would ban this stamp. It's a work of art, but that's were it ends.



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Wolfantom Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Communism is authoritarian and discriminatory to religion, working conditions and population growth? Well I'll be. It seems that Marx's communist manifesto must have been one big fat lie. Good thing nobody reads it nowadays!
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ninjawerr Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2014  Professional Writer
What the artist fails to grasp, it's a good thing for him that only the public sector of china is communist, if the whole damn country was that way, the he would be in a world of hurt.
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Driftwood-Thrones Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
Tell that to the red books they carry

I would have to get a time machine and travel back to 1976 to do so.

or to the people in poverty who haft to work ungodly hours

I can list 100 capitalist nations where the average working-class person has to work "ungodly hours" if you'd like. Only a small handful of capitalist nations are based around consumer economies, which use cheap labor from outsourcing to maintain low inflation rates and high standards of living. Most capitalist nations are based around producer economies, and as such the working poor in those nations have hellish living standards. China is based around a producer economy.

or the houses of worship who are still stuck by the communist party and the police turn bind eye

I can name about a dozen capitalist nations where I would be murdered for apostasy and plenty more (including the United States) where I would be denied certain rights and privileges. There is nothing mutually exclusive about religious intolerance and communism or religious freedom and capitalism. 

tell that to the children who are aborted due to there one child law. 

Population control has nothing to do with communism, socialism or Maoism. Singapore is ranked number 2 on The Heritage Foundation's Index of Economic Freedom, yet they practice population control. American conservatives also have a history of both supporting and enforcing one-child policies and forced sterilization for families on welfare.

I'm sorry but as a postmaster I would ban this stamp.

Says 'Mr. Freedom' himself, lol.

China is no longer communist, period. They have a social market economy and that's how it's been for years.
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ninjawerr Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014  Professional Writer
What do you know? Have you noticed the mass exodus from there country yet? 
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Driftwood-Thrones Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014
What do you know?

A lot more than you, hence your utter lack of a responding argument. You're uneducated and have no idea what you're talking about.

Have you noticed the mass exodus from there country yet? 

Have you noticed the mass exodus from Mexico, Hong Kong, India, the Philippines, El Salvador, Dominican Republic, Haiti, Colombia, Guatemala, Peru, Taiwan, Pakistan, Thailand, Indonesia, and almost every other capitalist country?
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ninjawerr Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014  Professional Writer
Then explain why there is no mass exodus from America?
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Driftwood-Thrones Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014
I already did, but you failed to either read or understand what was said in your trigger-happy angst: "Only a small handful of capitalist nations are based around consumer economies, which use cheap labor from outsourcing to maintain low inflation rates and high standards of living. Most capitalist nations are based around producer economies, and as such the working poor in those nations have hellish living standards. China is based around a producer economy."

That said, you're asking a loaded question anyways as there is quite a lot of emigration from the United States, about 1/3rd the rate of that from China. You also fail to factor in cultural differences between the two nations. Emigration from and between China and other Asian countries has always been a very big thing throughout history, while Americans have generally been more skeptical of the world abroad and unwilling to venture out. Geography and territory is also completely different. There is Canada to the north of us and Mexico to the south of us, the latter of which is unappealing to most Americans because the culture is foreign. If you live in China, you're surrounded by numerous countries, many of which share a very similar culture and appeal to Chinese people.
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ninjawerr Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014  Professional Writer
No you didn't

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Driftwood-Thrones Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2014
Consistently proven wrong, so now you pretend to be a troll as a last resort. Pathetic.
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
I'm sorry but as a postmaster I would ban this stamp. It's a work of art, but that's were it ends.

The fact that you seriously said this is just asking people to laugh at you.

If you don't realize how ridiculous this statement is, then it's obvious that you live in a fantasy world.
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ninjawerr Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Professional Writer
It's you who is in an fictional realm.

The postmaster thing was a joke

And I know people who left china recently, it's because if the Communist  government , and there unlawful taking of the capitalist Hong Kong Provence.

Read your side before you support it, and know your history before you refute it.
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
It's you who is in an fictional realm.

No. You don't get to decide if I'm living in a fictional realm or not. It doesn't work that way.

The postmaster thing was a joke

And a very unfunny one at that.

And I know people who left china recently, it's because if the Communist  government , and there unlawful taking of the capitalist Hong Kong Provence.

I am Chinese. You are not. I have ancestry tracing BACK to China. To the mainland. You are just a white boy who thinks using trollface makes you funny.

Read your side before you support it, and know your history before you refute it.

You really aren't in the position to tell me that I'm clueless if you say shit that makes people not take you seriously.
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ninjawerr Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Professional Writer
I'm sorry, I'd didn't know you were blind. I try to be more considerate.
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
Being blind means that your eyesight is damaged. Not having different points of view.

Try a different term.
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ninjawerr Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Professional Writer
Ok but it's not a matter of having different views but a matter of seeing thru a mirage

Your country was born Communist and still is, it's in your constitution. 

Only a blind man or am man who did not do well in school could miss that, and seeing as your English is superb, it hast to be the first... Ether that or brainwashed and/or misinformed. 

I hope it's the latter if it's not blindness, because if brainwashed this conversation ends on my next comment...  Fear not I know the difference. 
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
Nope not a mirage either. A mirage is something you see at a desert.

I do not believe you have read the Constitution of China. China has not been Communist since the death of Mao.

My English skill level is irrelevant to the fact that you have no understanding of China.

It is neither "blindness" nor "brainwashing." That's not how the ball game is played kid.
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Atamolos Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've read a very interesting book on the subject of Chinese capitalism here:  www.academia.edu/3135163/How_C…
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2014
Interesting.

I haven't read the whole thing tbh but I'll read more of it later.
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StalinistMaoist Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2013
This is very interesting: redantliberationarmy.wordpress…
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2013
So this is sort of like a way to say that Deng Xiaoping hasn't drastically changed away from what Mao has envisioned?
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StalinistMaoist Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2013
I think he just mean't that Deng's "socialism" is still socialism, despite being different from Mao's socialism. I don't agree with the article, but I still found it interesting.
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Kiev-45 Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
What exactly you want to say? China is not a communist nation? Communism is dead ? then what nation will balance the world? without communism, the world unbalance and no more threat to those capitalist. yes China is a multi-party state under communism banner to all party to have rigth to vote or not on a centain plan. Plus its more communist idea to have a multi-party system than one because its more like dictatorship if a single party system will implemented. You know the three step to communism right? Capitalist overthown, create a socialist order then communism. China is on the socialist order state, still between capitalist and communist idea to maintain its people to live unlike on the USSR, this process had been leap and make a great failure until its collapes. China will mantain in the middle of those two idea and waiting the rigth time to step-up to the next step to communism. China is a "democratic dictatorship" which may called to a socialism.
By the way, which side you are? If your communist then proud that china considered a communist state but is not then you know what to do, destorying our image and blame all political failure to us. Just cheer comrade! and don't be mad.
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2013
I'm not exactly sure where you're getting at here, but maybe I didn't read your statement correctly. :o

I don't describe myself as a "Communist" but rather a "Socialist." I also describe myself as a Maoist. I will side with China against US hegemony and I will certainly side with the DPRK against US hegemony as well.
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Kiev-45 Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Ok I'll give this short,
1.China is a socialist country but in between capitalism and communism.
2.Multi-party is one of the evidents of a socialist idea than a single party rule.
3.China is under-process to become a communist nation and more reform to be done.
4.North korea is not a communist state and we don't support it.
5. Peace through power.
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Wolfantom Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2014  Student Digital Artist
1. China's a capitalist dictatorship. Socialism does not support hierarchies.
2. Depends. Some socialism implements single-party states (a vanguard party). 
3. Doubt it. They might claim to, but recent trends show them speeding toward capitalising their economy. If they really are all good underneath it all, and when the time is right they suddenly become a true communist country, then I'll be damned. But come on, historically China has never been like that.
4. You are indeed correct. Recent reforms have removed all mention of communism. On top of that they are rather democratic, it's just that the US and South Korea tarnish their image
5. If your definition is power to the people then carry on, comrade.
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2013
1. That's quite debatable.
2. No Comment.
3. See #2.
4. I have to disagree with you about "not supporting it" because I have some evidence proving that the DPRK isn't as bad as most say it is. Yes, it does have problems but much of the famines were a result of the US placing sanctions on them. Plus there's the effects from the Korean War. See my "DPRK is not a terrible place" stamp.
5. Fair enough.
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Kiev-45 Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Ok I respect to our fellow comrade's opinon and ideas. But in 4 is quite questionable. Yes, we may support the north koreans for the problem on the santions but not for thier idea of juche regime, Cold war is over, and we may win without guns but the people's trust and north korea must not develop more nuke just spend our generosity for thier goods to feed it people and built a great economy to made a greatest korea than south. Yes north korea is not terrible place and I'm willing to spend my vacation thier. I'm not supporting to one decision just support the majorities decision. thier communist party have no decision at all they just act like a rubber stamp approval to their leader's decision that is why north korea is not a communist state for us.

Notice- We have been made poll about north korea and see about it in CPDA. [link]
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BluefoxP Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Opinion.
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Sullystrain Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012
可是那又如何?世上没有哪个执政党是真的为了最广大的民众,都有各自的利益集团。现在关于中国的争论,主要原因不是中国的社会制度,而是外交方面,而外交,很大程度上和经济利益挂钩。
所以说,本质都差不多,中国有黑幕发掘,美国就没有吗?日本呢?
最后说一点,一些问题,不是因为政党,而是因为一些千年的习俗,你可以说台湾,但是那已经很深地被日本影响了,它的民性,很大一部分来自台湾。
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zhangxin1024 Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
第一句话太现实了~
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012
I'm aware that intentions of the modern day Chinese Communist Party have nothing to do with Communism itself and even less about Mao Zedong Thought, but rather diplomatic and economic interests to boost their own economy and they are successfully beating the United States of America and Japan in that regard. However, I would honestly like to see a return to Maoism within China for the restoration of progressive accomplishments such as healthcare, economic equality among citizens and the surplus of food, water and resources. Sadly, US hegemony is preventing that because of myths they have perpetuated. They are even perpetuating myths about modern day China too.

In regards to Taiwan, I can say that they are a strategic ally of the US and Japan (despite the US and Japan's official diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China), thus their influence there is rather expected.
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Kiev-45 Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Ok china is over pass already the communist idea, The CCP made its own communist idea which lead to a capitalist idea because of the world economy, Communism will not attend if there a competition in the world economy may lead the whole failure of thier idea. That is why they play it and gain some major deals until now. If china will lead the world market then make it little by little converting to common economy ( Socialist market) which lead to fair trade, equality of currency and give more important to rationing and equality of goods. Chairman mao maybe right or maybe wrong to. We cannot implement full scale communism easy we must go to step by step and play alone to the other until we gain the powerful position and change it according to our cause (equallity and peace) See what happen to the USSR, it collape thur the economical crisis and china don't want to collape too. That is why they play alone to the world and hide its real desire. By the way communism achive in china because some ethnical and tribe people in china has equal rights to the ordinary chinese even foriegners too. In other words china achive only communism in socially not in politically and economically and someday it will.

P.S- If you think that communist nation are the most depressing nation? then think again. All nation are the same depressing and all bad ideas are blame to us(communist)Stalin's fault, famine,cultural revolution and gulag. Why they blame on us, we don't do that.
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2013
There's plenty of evidence debunking the myth that Mao deliberately killed millions. I recommend "Did Mao Really Kill Millions in the Great Leap Forward?" by Joseph Ball.

There's also evidence that Stalin wasn't responsible for what happened in the Soviet Union.
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Kiev-45 Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Ok about the great leap forward plan is a wrong idea and miscalculated every thing, Its good to all people must work together but the faliure is that the people have limits and don't work 24/7 without break which lead the whole plan to stop and ended with many people die from hunger and exhaustion.

Stalin made the USSR great and worst. It difficult to explain but it was destiny to be their leader. I know stalin is not responsible to what happen on the USSR but he lead the union to the darkest and glorious time of the soviet. Plus stalin is not a communist, he just play it alone to get a great power on the soviet state.
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Saylisk Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2011  Student Artist
Most of the people in China wish this was true.
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2011
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Saylisk Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2011  Student Artist
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A-n-n-e-F-r-a-n-k Featured By Owner May 5, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Cool I'm glad someone understands this
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner May 5, 2011
While I admit I'm no expert on Chinese politics, it's pretty simple to know this fact.
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Sei-rei Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
China is communist, Capitalist country do not kidnap reporters who did nothing steal all tapes and steal all paper so not could get home. Capitalistic do not treat to shoot people if they demonstrate. Capitalistic country do not block websites who has democratic information. Sorry use translate.
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IrkenConfederate Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Capitalism is an economic system. Economics don't always have to do with how a country treats its citizens. Look at Canada: it's less capitalistic than the US, but it treats its citizens fine, better, in certain regards.
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heminder Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2012  Professional
"Capitalist country do not kidnap reporters who did nothing steal all tapes and steal all paper so not could get home. Capitalistic do not treat to shoot people if they demonstrate. Capitalistic country do not block websites who has democratic information."

lolwut?
that's exactly what western countries do.

steal tapes - they censor news and media only to have Wikileaks cables reveal their corruption later.
threaten demonstrators - occupy movement, anyone? NDAA?
blocking of websites - they are starting to do that too. SOPA, ACTA, CISPA, TPP, etc... many countries already block sites they or their lobbyists claim as a threat to them.
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2011
No. China is neither Communist nor Democratic. It is Capitalist and Authoritarian.

Nowadays they only call themselves "Communist" to cover up their lack of responsibility. The media can be very misleading.

Every country has human rights abuses regardless of which country does it more. USA tortures "terror suspects," in Guantanamo Bay (which should NOT be open because it violates Cuba's sovereignty), Japan has a quirky judicial system which imprisons anybody who isn't proven innocent (I don't know how often this happens but I know it's "You're guilty until proven innocent"), China has (as you mentioned) website blocking and kidnapping reporters and forcing them to take pills, Israel has bulldozed Palestinian homes and forced them into refugee camps.

You cannot blame Communism because it is not government control. It is meant to be a socio-political system that advocates a classless society in which all means of production are owned by the people. It also advocates an end to poverty and put the society as a whole in an equal living status (although it's impossible to literally make everyone equal). If you want to know more, ask any Communist on DA.

The problem with Capitalism is that it only favors the rich (the top 1%) and pushes everyone else (the bottom 99%) down. You cannot say Capitalism is any better.

I don't consider myself as either Capitalist or Communist but I am a Socialist. Socialism advocates the redistribution of wealth in which the rich will have to pay more taxes (percentage increase can range from 1% to 5% usually in our case) so that money can go to the state and then they can use that money for what is needed for society: Education, Healthcare, Food, Housing, etc.
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Sei-rei Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I am sad not to agree. But you believe what believe.
You view very angeled and hateful, also one-sided. I suggest get more fact and open mind not be so close-minded. Hate me if wish.
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2011
No. I don't hate you. I still want to be friends. Please do not be offended.

You have said that "mainstream media has been proven to be altered and lies." I am only trying to explain the reality. Communists in the Cold War have been persecuted the same way the Japanese were persecuted during and after World War II in the United States.

People are dying all over the world from poverty, China included. Because in China, the eastern area is more developed but the rest of the country is still poor.

It's not just Communists and Socialists that are against the powerful wealthy. Because in 16th century Japan (hundreds of years before Communism and Socialism), Ishikawa Goemon (I think you know him) had stolen money and gold from the rich and gave them to the poor who needed them to live. If he had witnessed the overwhelming poverty caused by the governments of USA, Japan and China, he would oppose those governments.

Should we blame the Chinese government? Yes.
Should we blame Communism? No.

I am not saying that you should be Communist, because I cannot decide who you are. Regardless of what you call yourself, we should all agree that the rich on the top do not care about the poor on the very bottom. The current Chinese government is not significantly different from the Japanese and American governments.
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Sei-rei Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I still think most you fact is very wrong. You get it from website very angled and not natural .
USA did not force into Libya, they had be forced do something and NATO had to ask them kiss butt even. It two bladed sword, you have to see outside you own political view.
China is as rotten as your country, no country perfect.
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2011
That's not the point.

The point is: China is NOT Communist no matter what anybody says. Their history textbooks usually don't mention Mao Zedong, although his portrait remains in Tienanmen Square.
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