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Freedoms? We had Freedoms? by DragonQuestWes Freedoms? We had Freedoms? by DragonQuestWes
Now I'm all for protesting awful bills/laws such as SOPA, PIPA and the NDAA. My question however is this: "Are we just realizing that our freedoms are gone?"

I'm sure a lot of you know about these three by now. So I won't get into much detail about them.

The point I'm trying to make here is that there are more laws that have taken away our rights and this happened far FAR before SOPA, PIPA and the NDAA.

Just look back at the history of the US:

:bulletblack: 1830 - Indian Removal Act which forced tons of Native American tribes to emigrate to the Western part of the continent.
:bulletblack: 1862 - Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus (Yes I know Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves but that was never his intention in the first place).
:bulletblack: 1866 - The Black Codes returned slaves back to their masters in the South.
:bulletblack: 1882 - Chinese Exclusion Act prevented immigration to the United States (especially California) and restricted rights of Chinese Americans.
:bulletblack: 1917 - Espionage Act which persecuted Socialists and other anti-war activists.
:bulletblack: 1919 to 1920 - First Red Scare (even though Communism was hardly mentioned) suppressed worker's rights.
:bulletblack: 1924 - Immigration Act of this year expanded upon the Chinese Exclusion Act and banned immigration from East Asia altogether.
:bulletblack: 1942 - Japanese-American internment where Japanese Americans were relocated to detention camps.
:bulletblack: 1947 to 1957 Second Red Scare where McCarthy went on a blackmailing rampage against suspected as well as genuine Socialists and Communists.
:bulletblack: Before 1963: Segregation Era, blacks and whites were "separate but equal" which wasn't really equal.
:bulletblack: 1960's to 1975 - Persecution of Vietnam War opponents.
:bulletblack: 1993 - "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" passed by Bill Clinton because of a murder of a US Navy soldier for being gay by a homophobic soldier. Repealed by Barack Obama in 2010.
:bulletblack: 2001 or 2002 - USA PATRIOT Act which allowed Bush to interpret the Constitution the way HE wants it. During this time Muslims have been targeted by the US for "terrorism."
:bulletblack: 2008 - Prop 8 passed in California only to be ruled "unconstitutional" by California judge Vaughn Walker.
:bulletblack: February 2010 - Collateral Murder video leaked by Wikileaks which resulted in the arrest of US Army Private Bradley Manning. Arrest warrant issued for Julian Assange who is currently under house arrest in the UK.
:bulletblack: April 2010 - Arizona SB 1070 attempted to racial profile anyone who looks "Hispanic" for the purpose of "fighting illegal immigration."
:bulletblack: November 2010 - TSA (Transportation Security Administration) introduces body pat-downs. There have been various reports of harassment and molestation.

Any more to add to this list I would appreciate it. It's not the best list I have though.
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
"2001 or 2002 - USA PATRIOT Act which allowed Bush to interpret the Constitution the way HE wants it. During this time Muslims have been targeted by the US for "terrorism."
Since when does a Maoist care about the constitution?
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2014
Where did I indicate that I cared about the constitution? I was merely stating the facts.
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You're saying Bush used his own definition of the constitution as if constitutional rights actually concern you, and that claim isn't even true, because the amendment protects us from UNREASONABLE searches and seizures, which is inherently a disputable matter.
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014
Again, merely stating the facts.
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
As was I, which negated what you described as "facts"
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014
You did not negate a thing, you just merely disagreed.

Disagreeing with me doesn't negate anything.
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You said Bush twisted the Constitution to his liking, and I negated it by making the point that the fourth amendment is a loose and stretchable term anyway. Don't blame Bush for that. Blame the Founding Fathers for not being clear.
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014
That's arguing semantics there.

I was never a huge fan of the Constitution but it doesn't mean I can't state the facts. I call things as I see them.
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
We don't have freedoms in a country where we can't talk about how we don't have freedoms without being shot or taken away to a re-education camp, and that hasn't happened to you
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2014
"Not happening to me" does not negate anything I say.
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes it does. You could never get away with something like this in Cuba, Soviet Union, or China if it was those countries you were criticizing.
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014
Not it doesn't. You have clearly never lived or visited any of these countries.

You do NOT get to negate my talking points just because you don't agree. That's not how it works. :|
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
"Not it doesn't. You have clearly never lived or visited any of these countries."
No I have not, and by god am I glad I didn't, but I've seen documentaries that showed the stories of those who have. Do me a favor, check out Stalin: Man of Steel for such references as to what life was like in the Soviet Union.

You're right. That's not how it works, because that's not what happened. Freedoms include freedom of speech and, well, we have that, evidenced by the fact you can criticize your own country without getting arrested or beaten up. In a dictatorship, that's exactly what WOULD happen. Have you ever seen or read George Orwell's 1984?
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014
No I have not, and by god am I glad I didn't, but I've seen documentaries that showed the stories of those who have. Do me a favor, check out Stalin: Man of Steel for such references as to what life was like in the Soviet Union.

Never having lived NOR visited there is NOT something you should be proud of ever. Western-made documentaries using anecdotal testimonies from expats or certain individuals who lived under the Soviet Union are NOT credible sources.

You're right. That's not how it works, because that's not what happened. Freedoms include freedom of speech and, well, we have that, evidenced by the fact you can criticize your own country without getting arrested or beaten up. In a dictatorship, that's exactly what WOULD happen. Have you ever seen or read George Orwell's 1984?

Yet people in the Occupy protests (as flawed, liberal and reformist as they were) have been shot by US police. Yet whistleblowers have been detained for exposing US war crimes. Also, no I have not read 1984 but that will not change what I've said because you are not automatically informed about things just because you've read a book or seen a documentary. It doesn't work that way.
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
"Yet people in the Occupy protests (as flawed, liberal and reformist as they were) have been shot by US police."
Have people in the occupy movement violated police, and have they committed acts of vandalism that are, well, illegal? I don't know enough about the Occupy movement to know. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

and what whistleblowers reveal usually go against national security. That's different than just having an opinion against a country's actions. They won't arrest you for standing on the side of whistleblowers, but they would in dictatorial regimes. Speaking of such regimes, have you ever lived under Fidel Castro or Mao Zedong or any of those other scumbags you admire so much?
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014
Calling them "scumbags" will NOT make them such just because you don't agree.
Whistle-blowers are NOT threatening national security.

I'm ethnically Chinese and I have heritage tracing back to China so I have every right to support Mao Zedong.
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
"(Yes I know Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves but that was never his intention in the first place)."
What? Of course his intention was to free the slaves, along with restoring the union
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2014
No it was not.

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." -Abraham Lincoln
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Show me where/when he said that, because the whole purpose of the Civil War in the first place, which Lincoln kept going, was all about slavery. It was slavery that drove the union a part.
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014
Not relevant.

The fact that he said this told about his intentions.
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Disregard the below comment. I actually am familiar with his speech. What I don't know is when he said it and to who (that's important)
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014
It was written on August 22, 1862.
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
And who was it addressed to? The confederates I'll bet.
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
It's not fact if you can't back up its validity.
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iPersonator Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2013
The country needs laws. If it didn't, people would get away with bad things.
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2013
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Toona11 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012
Hello everyone viewing anti NDAA art. An important recent petition just started against NDAA's SEC1021 in the Hedges VS Obama calling upon the higher federal courts to rule this provision UNCONSTITUTIONAL!! Please show your support, sign it and spread the word around about this important petition.

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Frosted-Feather Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I may not agree with you on everything but I have no choice but to say this is very true.
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012
That's fine. :nod:
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MrAustin390 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
And if America isn't free, what is your definition of free?
Because there are other countries in the world guilty of far worse than America has ever done. And despite all such, people have always risked their lives to get to America.
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
You have an Israel stamp and you're Pro-Israel so I'm not going to take you seriously or even respond to you. :unimpressed:
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aguycalledbaldur Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2012
Bah, within the next 100 years, we will all be forced into submission and be killed for having an opinion. The goverments want nothing more than to push unnessesary taxes so each politician can buy another flatscreen TV, and what do we get in return? Orders, a lack of rites, and barely enough money to feed our families. I say that the governments have been corrupt for long enough.
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2012
That's been going on since forever.
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aphfangirlwashere Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2012
i love this stamp it's so true
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colbalt-rain Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2012   Writer
'Freedom?'
Dafuq is this shit you speak of? :O_o:
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CrimsonFALKE Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes you left wingers are pretty much against that shit, after all it was your precious Obama that called for SOPA and the like, but the funny thing is there isn't a source to back up much of the claims about Lincoln who knew slavery was literally against free market and served to create a caste system. Tell me are you anti-Israel as well?
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colbalt-rain Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2014   Writer
"My precious Obama"?
That's so funny, because I actually didn't vote for Obama. And why in the hell are you responding to a comment made over two years ago..?
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2012
The freedom to steal, kill and exploit the less fortunate and privileged. :meow:

At least according to the wealthy corporate interests of the US.
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colbalt-rain Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2012   Writer
Oh, in that case...! :iconbiggrinplz:


...still never had it. Damn. :iconokaymemeplz:
And 'corporate?!' I thought those kinds of peoples were the awesome, epic, godly 'job creators' they always tell us about on TV! /sarcasm
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Kuroseki Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
mmm good point.
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2012
Thank you. :bow:
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Kuroseki Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
What do you think about ACTA? I mean it sound cool.
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2012
Just another one of thousands of laws or ordinances taking away our (non-existent) rights.

I doubt it would change much. :shrug:
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RicoShae Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2012  Student General Artist
Great stamp, I was thinking the same thing when people started flipping their shit about it.

Abraham Lincoln wasn't anti-slavery though. He didn't think the United States could be together with it in place, but he wasn't anti-slavery. He was anti-succession. I can't remember what else he passed but there were a few laws/acts he passed that directly prohibited civil liberties, especially freedom of press.

And you can add these:
Chinese Exlusion Act of 1882
Indian Removal Act 1830
The Black Codes 1866
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2012
Thanks. I'll be sure to add these when I get the chance.

I assume the Black Codes were one of the earliest attempts of the "separate but equal" types of segregation in the US? I can't exactly remember.
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RicoShae Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2012  Student General Artist
Nope, it was some laws passed to help return escaped slaves to their masters even if they managed to make it into a state were slavery was illegal.

You could also add the literacy voting tests in souther states (aimed at blacks but it hurt whites too) but I'm not sure what years they were.
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inkstaineddove Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
The land of the free isn't so free.
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012
Isn't so free? More like never was free.
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